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lavardera
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posted 08-16-2003 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lavardera   Click Here to Email lavardera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Incubus - I was trying to solicit ideas for what we might have on the web site on the other thread - please go to that thread and lay down your ideas!

GaryR50
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posted 08-16-2003 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GaryR50   Click Here to Email GaryR50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That particular use of the term "co-op" wasn't what we were talking about, Incubus, but it does suggest yet another association that people will make to the word "co-op" or "cooperative" that we don't want them to make, as we are not attempting to start an organization devoted to this, either. The word "network" says exactly what we mean: a network of people involved in modern housing.

Dwellmate, what you're describing is what mobile homes were, initially. It's ironic that, after decades, people who owned them wanted to give their mobile homes (or "trailers," as they were then called) more permanent roots, and so adapted them to permanent foundations, and now we have people who, like yourself, want to do the reverse, in response to economic conditions of the present. I think that mobile homes are still capable of being mobile, though the industry long ago shifted its focus to the demand for permanent siting by building units without wheels, to be trucked to the permanent site. There may still be the option to have one built with mobile capability, however, there is very little, if any, modernism to be had in the mobile home market, as I'm sure you're aware. Good luck finding what you need.


Gary

Rous
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posted 08-16-2003 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rous   Click Here to Email Rous     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dwellmate: I sent an email to Urban Edge a couple of months ago just to see if they were interested in doing a small sub-division of somewhat cheaper (compared to their usual) housing. I never got a response. I think Gary also sent them an email, but I don't know if they responded to him either. I was waiting until we had a few more posts on the new thread before inviting them to drop by. I will probably do that soon though.

GaryR50
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posted 08-17-2003 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GaryR50   Click Here to Email GaryR50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't receive any response, either, Rous.

Gary

Bertromavich
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posted 08-19-2003 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bertromavich   Click Here to Email Bertromavich     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found your brilliant approach to putting together a corporation of builders while hating evil corporations intriguing. But i'm not here to hurt I've with an internet marvel that may put your plans into action. Its a site I found where any kind of builder is king and a virutual online community that seems apply the limitless possibilty roleplay. check out then you'll see secondlife.com
signing out

Rous
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posted 08-19-2003 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rous   Click Here to Email Rous     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What?

Anyway. I just invited the following Dallas folks to our party:

Cliff Welch, Architect
Cunningham Architects
Urban Edge developers
Guy Brown, Architect
David Griffin, Realtor (their office sponsers the Preservation Dallas, Mid-Century Modern House Tour)

I only know Guy personally. The first two architects on the list have worked for the previously unresponsive Urban Edge. We'll see what happens.

joe b
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posted 08-20-2003 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for joe b   Click Here to Email joe b     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bertromavich:

this is REAL LIFE! GET A LIFE!

GaryR50
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posted 08-20-2003 06:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GaryR50   Click Here to Email GaryR50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What the ???! was that???!

Rous, great job! Thanks.

Gary

firstgenwen
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posted 08-20-2003 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for firstgenwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rous:
It does to me too. However, I have not "met" one other person on the ubb from Dallas, let alone 50-100. I am hopeful that when we get "modern house net" of the ground, I'll be able to find more like minded people in the Dallas area..

Rous,

I am from Dallas. I am fairly sure we are like minded. I greatly admire Diane Cheatham of Urban Edge for what she has accomplished, as well as the work of Gary Cunningham, Ron Womack, Frank Welch and Bud Oglesby to name a few.

Rous
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posted 08-20-2003 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rous   Click Here to Email Rous     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So now there are three of us in the Dallas area (including Dwellmate).

Not familiar with Ron Womack, and though I have heard of Frank Welch, I don;t know any of his stuff.

Try to check out the Howard Meyer designed house at 5831 Nakoma in Greenway Parks and especially John Barthel's house (he designed it and still lives there) at 8931 Capri Court in Northeast Dallas.

If we want to discuss Dallas any further, we should probably go off list. My email can be found under the little icon with a face at the top of this posting.

[This message has been edited by Rous (edited 08-20-2003).]

lavardera
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posted 08-20-2003 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lavardera   Click Here to Email lavardera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just spammed everybody I know who might be interested!

GaryR50
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posted 08-21-2003 07:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GaryR50   Click Here to Email GaryR50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Make that four in Dallas. There is a guy I met here, in another thread, who lives in Dallas, also. He's mostly a "lurker" on the boards, and hasn't posted in a while: "KEM." One of my upcoming designs was done in response to offline email "conversations" with him. By the way, Kerry, if you're reading this, I'm a little behind schedule, but your house will be ready very soon.

Thanks, Greg! I'll try to do likewise, though I'm sure your list of contacts outnumbers mine.

Gary

pgg9350
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posted 09-19-2003 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pgg9350   Click Here to Email pgg9350     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it my imagination, or did this thread die out? Or did it move? pgg

lavardera
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posted 09-19-2003 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lavardera   Click Here to Email lavardera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes! It moved over to the "Join Modernist House Net, or whatever it is! and you have already found it of course here: http://interverse.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000229.html

Rous
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posted 09-26-2003 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rous   Click Here to Email Rous     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since we were using this old thread to discuss who we were going to invite to the party, I thought I would ask this here rather thant he new thread.

I am going on a modern house tour sponsored by Preservation Dallas on Oct. 11th. I'm not sure if the organizers would like it, but I would be willing to put a stack of flyers, announcing our fledgling organization, out by the coffee and doughnuts.

Is this a good idea? If so, what should the flyers say (the whole LiveModern.com thing makes this a bit more compicated.)?

Last year over 400 people attended and the year before that it was about the same.

GaryR50
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posted 09-26-2003 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GaryR50   Click Here to Email GaryR50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like an excellent idea, Rous. Shall one of us make a flyer for you, or were you planning to roll your own? I can crank out something suitable over the weekend, if that's okay. Let me know.

Gary

Rous
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posted 09-26-2003 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rous   Click Here to Email Rous     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gary, thanks for the offer. I wouldn't mind making it up if I had any idea what it should say (for an economist, I have a decent creative side). We have the manifesto at the beginning of the "Join Modern House Net" but now that LiveModern.com is out there, where are we?

On the other hand, If I made a flyer it would be in Word and all I would be able to do is play with Word's graphics and font capabilities (and then maybe print it out on colored paper). I would surely be appreciative of a professional's eye. Perhaps you could take a first cut at it and post it to see if others have comments (on either design or content). I think it would be great to come up with something that could be used by others if they have the opportunity.

GaryR50
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posted 09-26-2003 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GaryR50   Click Here to Email GaryR50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll see if I can do something this weekend and then post it as a PDF. That way, everyone can download it, if they want to, or at least read it, anyway, since it's a universal format.

Hmmm....you know, given the audience, they may be like the folks on Lotta Livin'; interested in preservation of mid-century modernism, but maybe not so interested in new modernism. Then again, you would think there may be a few among them who are interested in both. Personally, I don't see how anyone could take an interest in one, but not the other.

Gary

Rous
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posted 09-27-2003 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rous   Click Here to Email Rous     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most of the people who take the tour are not members of Preservatin Dallas, but are just interested in modernism. The last few years, the tour has focused on mid-century modern. This year the focus is broader. The earliers house is from 1913 (Prarie style) and the other houses were built in 1939, two from the 1950s and one from the 1960s.

From my discussions wiht people on the busses, these are the folks we want to target (many of them either express their good forture to live in a monder house or wish that they could). Especially if we state that are aim is not to sell anything, but to just to get more modern houses built, the response could be good. Of course, I am not so naive to think that we could attract more than a few to our organization. But, who knowes, we might get lucky.

GaryR50
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posted 09-27-2003 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GaryR50   Click Here to Email GaryR50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, a few people at a time, here and there, is the way we're going to build this up, anyway, I think. The main focus is to create an international nexus, a meeting point on the worldwide web, where everyone who is interested can get together, regardless of time and distance, and share their love of modernism, their ideas, etc. The people are out there, but they are so far-flung they don't even know there are others who share their interests, yet.

I'll get started on this today. I think I'll borrow a little verbage from the mission statement and blend it with a little of my own writing. When I have a rough draft ready, I'll post it here in this thread, first, and we can work out the "editing" between us. When it's finished, and we're all satisfied with it, we can decide whether or not to include a graphic or two, and what and who's those shall be, etc. When it's all been settled, I'll make a PDF of the final version and post it here, also. Then you can print it out and distribute it. Also, I'll try to make this applicable to more than just the venue you're going to. That way, it can be used by any of us to promote LiveModern. By the way, I see this as a promotion of LiveModern, since that will be the home of the network, and that is where we want people to go to, on the web. It's not like there are two separate entities: LiveModern AND the network; they are one-and-the-same.

Gary

[This message has been edited by GaryR50 (edited 09-27-2003).]

Rous
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posted 09-27-2003 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rous   Click Here to Email Rous     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like a plan.

GaryR50
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posted 09-27-2003 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GaryR50   Click Here to Email GaryR50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've posted a message on LiveModern, in the forums, about this, so that others can participate, also. By the time you're ready for the tour, you should have something to distribute that everyone will be pleased with, I think.

Gary

Rous
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posted 09-27-2003 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rous   Click Here to Email Rous     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just saw it over there. That is a good place for it if we can convince enough people to visit LiveModern and not just stay here on the dwell forum. One thing, I'd like to downplay the "affordable" thing on the flyer (not a lot of people looking for "affordable" housing on the Dallas modern house tour). You and Greg were great at responding to my "What does affordable mean?" post -- it was just the discussion I had wanted to get started.

GaryR50
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posted 09-27-2003 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GaryR50   Click Here to Email GaryR50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ach! Now you tell me.

Well, as it turns out, I'm having a software problem, anyway, and will probably have to hand it off to someone who has Adobe Acrobat Plus, or any other software that can save in PDF format. I first tried creating the flyer in Word 2000, and saved it as an RTF. That left the LiveModern logo out, though (sorry, Marshall; didn't mean to appropriate your title graphic, but it's for a good cause, right?), so I tried saving it as a Word 6.0 file, instead, since CorelDraw 7.0 (the only program I have that will save anything to PDF format) will import Word 6.0 documents, too. I wound up still having to insert the logo separately, but I finally had all the elements in place and it looked as good as it did in Word. However, when I saved it as PDF, some of the text formatting got garbled badly, and the logo came out pixelated a bit. So, I'm thinking, at this point, there are two options: (1) Get someone who has Adobe Acrobat Plus (their authoring software, which costs around $500, NOT Acrobat Reader), or (2) Just post a link to the Word document and anyone who has Word can download and print it, while those who don't have Word will be left out. Which should I do?

As for the text, I preserved most of Marshall's original statement, editing for brevity, to get it onto a single page, and changing "Modernist House Net" to LiveModern.

About demphasizing affordability, that would severly limit the whole flyer, including the slogan that is in the logo graphic. So much of the reason LiveModern exists at all has to do with affordable modernism that I don't think there is anything else to say to a crowd who can afford to build big, rambling expensive houses. Since these folks can afford to hire an architect and get custom modern homes without having to resort to alternatives such as stock plans, prefab, etc., I don't know what we have that would motivate their participation. Or am I missing something?

Gary

Rous
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posted 09-27-2003 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rous   Click Here to Email Rous     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If no one steps up to help turn it into a slick PDF file, then Word is the next best thing. From word, I can save as a PDF file, but I have never tried it with graphics.

About "affordable": I think the original language in the invitation was o.k. As long as it is clear that we are not a pseudo-Habitat for Humanity trying to provide housing for those with limited means, I think it is fine. It is true that we are interested in promoting modern housing for those that have an interest but are not able to spend $250/sq.ft. Even at the modern house tour I am attending, most of the crowd will be people who might be able to swing $100/sq.ft. for 2500 sq. ft. but not much more.

lavardera
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posted 09-27-2003 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lavardera   Click Here to Email lavardera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the full version of Acrobat. I can try to make it into a PDF, but if you can print it from a Word file you will be in good shape. Email both of us the word file and tell me what fonts you are using. We may have to coordinate to make sure it is something I have on my system.

[This message has been edited by lavardera (edited 09-27-2003).]

GaryR50
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posted 09-28-2003 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GaryR50   Click Here to Email GaryR50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the message is clear enough that no one will get the Habitat for Humanity impression. I'll do it in Word, then, and either you or Greg can put it in PDF format. How's that sound?

I used Verdana, Greg, which should be available to you, unless Macs don't have the usual True Type fonts. I'll send you both the file. Since Word can save it with the graphics intact, I do't see any reason why you'd be unable to save it to PDF that way.

Gary

lavardera
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posted 09-28-2003 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lavardera   Click Here to Email lavardera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok - I've got it, thanks. I do have Verdana so I'm in good shape there.

I've opened it in AppleWorks (I don't use Word) and the text came through properly but there is no graphic. You said you took the headline off of the livemodern web site? So I'll do the same and send it back.

GaryR50
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posted 09-28-2003 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GaryR50   Click Here to Email GaryR50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right. I just right-clicked on the masthead and copied it, then pasted it to my Word document. You can do the same. Are you going to send a PDF?

Gary

cfcek2
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posted 09-28-2003 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cfcek2   Click Here to Email cfcek2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey all - i may be too late to help, but i have InDesign and can make PDFs very very easily. SO if you need my help, just let me know.

:: christy ::

marshallmayer
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posted 09-29-2003 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for marshallmayer   Click Here to Email marshallmayer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I could also do the PDF. In Mac OS X, any document can be turned into a PDF from the print dialog box.

As for the LiveModern logo, use it, but know that there is a discussion on LiveModern on the tag line.

Marshall

cfcek2
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posted 09-29-2003 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cfcek2   Click Here to Email cfcek2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ahh - i forgot about that in OS X. it's a wonderful thing, isn't it?

i am going to work on a livemodern.com flyer and post it on my personal site so if people want to print some out to post wherever, or take to an event such as the dallas one, they can.

i think the "manifesto" is good, but it does make for a kind of text-heavy flyer. do we have any ideas for some bullet points we could put on a flyer and make it a little more visually appealing?

:: christy ::

marshallmayer
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posted 09-29-2003 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for marshallmayer   Click Here to Email marshallmayer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Gary is working on a condensation of the "manifesto" language so maybe that would do for you. I agree, as it is now, it's really written for a web page, not a flyer.

Marshall

cfcek2
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posted 09-29-2003 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cfcek2   Click Here to Email cfcek2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i found this calendar of events at jet set modern. if people are in the area of these goings-on, it might be a good place to get the word out. (i know i am only an hour from chamapign.) i will get cracking on some flyers:
http://www.jetsetmodern.com/happenings.htm

:: christy ::

GaryR50
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posted 09-29-2003 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GaryR50   Click Here to Email GaryR50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I handed it off to Rous and Greg yesterday, Marshall, to be saved as a PDF. I condensed it a little, eliminating anything that was uneccessary. It was two pages when I started on it, and I whittled it down to one.

Gary

cfcek2
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posted 09-29-2003 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cfcek2   Click Here to Email cfcek2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
rous and i are on it - we should probably have something by late tomorrow or the day after.

keep on truckin'!

:: christy ::

cfcek2
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posted 09-30-2003 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cfcek2   Click Here to Email cfcek2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here is a .pdf version of the flyer rous and i worked on: http://www.ux1.eiu.edu/~cfcek2/livemodern-flyer2.pdf

share it with someone you love ...

:: christy ::

[This message has been edited by cfcek2 (edited 09-30-2003).]

GaryR50
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posted 09-30-2003 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GaryR50   Click Here to Email GaryR50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent! Great work, both of you.

Gary

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Nice flyer.

Well, I signed up for the livemodern site tonight and left after about 10 minutes. It's a visually pleasing site, but the forums are incredibly cumbersome to use. Just my opinion, of course, but I didn't find the forums very well designed (a bit of a turn of for a site about design ;o)


lavardera
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posted 09-30-2003 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lavardera   Click Here to Email lavardera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Marshall said he would look into other forum modules when he goes to the convention for the site software. I think he will come back with something thats easier to use. I mess seeing a whole page of dialog as you get on UBB based message boards.


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