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marshallmayer Member |
posted 07-23-2003 08:57 AM
   
I think using the provisional Modernist Network, with the asterisk, makes a lot of sense. Marshall |
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lavardera Member |
posted 07-23-2003 05:41 PM
And note that even I am saying modernist in this case, because modern network sounds too much like IT. |
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GaryR50 Member |
posted 07-23-2003 06:44 PM
Agreed, Marshall. Perhaps even some input from the people we attract to the discussion thread can help us with arriving at a name. One question we could ask of them is what name they would expect such an organization to have. Of course, whatever we may select still has to pass the test of not being in use already as a web address. Senninha, that dialog has already been opened, though it was put aside while we sorted out other matters first. Having sorted out most, if not all those matters, I think reopening that dialog is appropriate at this time. Afterall, it would help, even in the promotion of the discussion thread we're about to post, to have a name to refer to. About Joe's comments on a mission statement and formulating goals, I think it's important to keep in mind that the thread we're about to post is, at least in part, a method of gathering additional data and input from consumers and others who will be involved in the organization, once it is started. As such, the thread serves the function of providing us with a way of determining our goals, based upon what is discussed there. Remember, until we have heard directly from the people we will be serving, and have considered their opinions and ideas, we are operating in a vacuum. I think the time for a mission statement and specific goals will come only after we have used this message board thread (not this one, but the one yet to be created) to touch base with our constituent groups directly. We could think of the thread as a focus group, of sorts. Good point, Greg. Gary [This message has been edited by GaryR50 (edited 07-23-2003).] |
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marshallmayer Member |
posted 07-24-2003 09:01 AM
Gary, Did I miss the start of the new thread? If so, where is it? Marshall |
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GaryR50 Member |
posted 07-24-2003 11:58 AM
I haven't posted it, yet, Marshall. Still waiting to know if we're ready for it, yet. Are we? Gary |
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Rous Member |
posted 07-24-2003 01:06 PM
I think we are ready. Once we post it, what is the best strategy for getting people to get involved? Sure, visitors to the ubb will see it, but how about reaching KRDB, Urbanedge (ever get a reply from them Gary?), and others who we hope will contribute to ModernNetwork.org like realtors, builders, architects, etc. |
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marshallmayer Member |
posted 07-24-2003 01:44 PM
Yep, I think we are there. I'd suggest posting the new thread first thing tomorrow morning, and then we can use this thread to generate and execute ideas on who to invite to the open house. Marshall [This message has been edited by marshallmayer (edited 07-24-2003).] |
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modernlover Member |
posted 07-24-2003 02:20 PM
How about ModernHouseNet.com ? To the point, doesn't need an acronym, easy to say, etc. Or ModernHouseNetwork. You guys are right, Modnet sounds to me like the Mod Squad, or Pop ala Andy Warhol. |
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GaryR50 Member |
posted 07-24-2003 07:00 PM
Okay, then, tomorrow morning it is.  That's not bad, Modernlover. I gather it's available, too? It's a little long, but, other than that, I like it. Rous, yes, I believe we've covered several venues to post to and to contact, and KRDB was among them, so, we'll do that. By the way, shall we keep a log of who's contacted whom, so we don't have any duplication of effort that might backfire against us ("hey, what's this? These guys have contacted me three times this week!")? If so, how will we keep such a log, and how will each of us report our efforts? Or should the promotional efforts be the responsibility of only one person among us, so as to avoid such hassles? Gary [This message has been edited by GaryR50 (edited 07-24-2003).] |
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marshallmayer Member |
posted 07-25-2003 06:18 AM
I think we should simply post who we've invited to the new topic in this thread. that way we can keep a running list. Check it before you post to a new place. Marshall |
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GaryR50 Member |
posted 07-26-2003 09:38 AM
I've just posted the "Join Modernist House Net!" thread (sorry about the delay; my cable access went out on me Friday). I've used the name that was last mentioned as a possible alternative, and we can change this later, if needed. Also, I replaced all instances of "blah.com" with the new name, so if you see any I missed, let me know, and I'll edit those out. Gary |
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Rous Member |
posted 07-26-2003 06:43 PM
I didn't want to post this with the new thread, but how are we going to keep track of members? Heck, I might want to join. |
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GaryR50 Member |
posted 07-26-2003 08:48 PM
That will be part of the several functions of the website, once it's up and running, but, for now, the thread is a vehicle to gather data, support, etc. for the concept before we put the website together. Anyone who responds to it, we'll automatically have contact info for (if they've filled out their Dwell profile), so we can notify everyone when the website goes online. Gary |
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marshallmayer Member |
posted 07-27-2003 11:47 AM
Gary, A couple of suggestions about posting the statement in a new thread: 1. Modernist House Net whould be identified as a workkng name. See my idea about how to handle this (the asterisk) that I posted on Thursday (i think). 2. change the URl in the next to last paragraph to the current thread, http://interverse.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000229.html . It makes more sense. I'll post a draft of another message, to elicit action in the next thread. Marshall |
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marshallmayer Member |
posted 07-27-2003 11:53 AM
Hi all, In preparation for inviting more folks into the discussion, I think we need some directions to follow Gary's posting of the statement in the Modernist House net thread http://interverse.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000229.html . Here's my draft, a version of which I'll post in the morning unless I hear objections. -- Hi there, Several of us on the Dwell board have been discussing for a while the creation of an association to advance the cause of affordable modernist housing by demonstrating the size of the market for architects, builders, developers, lenders and other producers. You can read the genesis of this idea, which led to the "open house" invitation that starts this thread, by reviewing the "National Modernist Housing Association" thread, http://interverse.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000173.html . We are expanding this discussion to include many more people, including you, to verify and refine our approach. Please read tthrough this thread, and give us your reaction. Will this new network be a solution to a problem that you have, or is shared by others? If so what and how? Do you think that the initial strategies that we propose to pursue will address your problem? Is there anything else we should be addressing to make modernism more affordable? If you agree with our statement, say so in this forum. If you want to help us on any particular activity, let us know. If you have questions about where this idea came from, please review the previous thread http://interverse.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000173.html ( -- it's long, but a good read!) before posting your question here. Thanks for your thoughts, and helping to advance the cause. -- |
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the_incubus_of_habit Member |
posted 07-27-2003 12:09 PM
You might have some trouble getting people to digest a 6 page forum thread. Perhaps a new one should be started with a clean introduction? I haven't read this entire thread, just skipped through a few spots, but I can toss out a few questions/suggestions: Modernist vs. Modern. Is it an important distinction? (I like modernist design, but sometimes feel that it is just a subset of modern design in general) Things I'd like to find in a modern(ist) association: - directory of builders capable of using modern methods + materials - design/build firms - architects/builder teams - materials directory (for instance, I am STILL looking for galvalume roofing suppliers/installers in MN). - help with addressing local building codes that fail to take non-traditional housing into consideration - lendor directory (those willing to bankroll non-traditional housing loans) - case studies As for volunteering, I could help with some web stuff/graphic design. Sounds fun. [This message has been edited by the_incubus_of_habit (edited 07-27-2003).] |
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lavardera Member |
posted 07-27-2003 04:31 PM
I have posted a message based on Marshalls at lottaliving.com |
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Rous Member |
posted 07-27-2003 06:22 PM
Incubus, could you post some of your desires for the network on the new thread? Your comments are exactly the things we need to start talking about over there (I think, anyway). I have a few places I want to send the invitation, but I wanted to wait until we had a few postings to the new thread so it looks like something is going on. |
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GaryR50 Member |
posted 07-27-2003 06:32 PM
Corrections noted and taken care of, Marshall. Your addendum looks good, and I think it is a wise idea to direct people to the prior discussion, so they can come up to speed. I share Incubus' concern, though, that it's a lot of reading we're asking people to do. But, then, if we give them impression it's optional, it should be fine. Incubus, as far as I'm concerned "modernist" and "modern" are interchangable terms, for our purposes. I do still believe "modernist" more clearly indentifies with the modern architecture movement than does "modern," but, if the consensus is to use "modern," then let's just use it and quit endlessly debating it. As for your list fo things you'd like to see, these will be included on the website, once it's created. We're not there, yet, though. But, I would follow Rous' suggestion and post your list on the new thread. You might also include a brief statement about what your particular interest in the network is. Greg, good job. I'll try to do some promotion, myself this week. Gary |
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the_incubus_of_habit Member |
posted 07-27-2003 06:44 PM
OK...I'll post that in the new thread. Quick comment on the Modernist House Net...that doesn't really roll off the toungue. How about modernisthome.net / modernhome.net? I prefer home over house as a house is a pretty specific thing, while a home can begin to include a variety of dwellings one could live in. But, of course, I'm sure the name will be a brainstormed for a while yet... ;o) |
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GaryR50 Member |
posted 07-28-2003 03:46 AM
Yep, we'll have plenty of discussion for the name, later. As new people respond to the new thread, we should get some ideas, too. But, yes, Modernist House Net isn't my favorite, either. Gary [This message has been edited by GaryR50 (edited 07-28-2003).] |
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Rous Member |
posted 07-29-2003 07:20 PM
Looks like we kind of ran out of steam on the new thread. Since few will wade through this thread, why don't some of you express your wish list for the new organization. Hopefully we can generate some interset. If we canot do it onthe Dwell board, we will never find it elsewhere. Once we get 8-10 more postings, I plan on inviting a few architects, developers (Urbanedge, again), and realtors but I don;t want them to see nothing happening and never come back. [This message has been edited by Rous (edited 07-29-2003).] |
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lavardera Member |
posted 08-07-2003 11:59 AM
Can people post where they have put the opening message? I put it on lottaliving.com I looked at the Eichler network site, but I was reluctant to sign on and make that my first post. Do we have any members of that board here? Joe B. - don't you have an Eichler/likeler - are you a member of the Eichler message board? |
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joe b Member |
posted 08-07-2003 01:34 PM
I post there frequently. What would I be posting? I am a little out of the loop on this topic. |
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lavardera Member |
posted 08-07-2003 06:00 PM
Joe, we want to post something along the lines of the third message in our target thread with - Marshall Meyer had posted it there - see it here: http://interverse.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000229.html You can look at what I posted over at lottaliving - I added a little bit jut to put it in the context of what I thought the interests are over there: Joe - much appreciation for picking up the ball with this. I think it is so much better if a message like this comes from somebody that participates in a community, rather than somebody signing up and then posting a solicitation. |
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GaryR50 Member |
posted 08-07-2003 06:00 PM
I'm a little disappointed with the new thread, myself. So far, it has turned out to be just another disjointed discussion on a range of topics, and the only people posting to it are us. I was expecting to make it place where newcomers could post their comments and questions about what we're trying to acheive. I have to admit that I haven't had time, yet, to do any promotion of the thread, and this may be a factor. What are your thoughts? Does anyone here think the new thread is acheiving what we intended it to acheive? Gary |
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michael@fabprefab Member |
posted 08-08-2003 12:28 AM
You may be interested in this new web site: www.fabprefab.com The site is planned as an information resource and discussion focal point for developments in "modernist prefab dwellings". The site launched today and will be constantly evolving. Please spread the word to anyone you feel might be interested. Thank you Michael |
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GaryR50 Member |
posted 08-08-2003 03:37 AM
Thanks, Michael, and welcome! I noticed you'll eventually have a section devoted to steel container houses, too. We have a thread covering this topic, here on the Dwell boards. Glad to have you aboard. Gary |
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joe b Member |
posted 08-08-2003 06:45 AM
Lav: I posted at EN. I took your LL post and reworded parts of it. Not sure how responsive they will be. Eichler owners tend to live in their own little world. But you never know... |
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lavardera Member |
posted 08-08-2003 07:07 AM
Thanks Joe. Gary, I'm not sure what you expected, but so far the only promotional posts I know about are the two mentioned above at lottaliving and the Eichler network. Where else has the word gotten out? None the less, we should regroup and evaluate the next step. People may stand off and watch until there is a web site - theres still no there there I just posted at the new prefab site mentioned above, so now we have a message at: lottaliving.com [This message has been edited by lavardera (edited 08-08-2003).] |
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modernlover Member |
posted 08-08-2003 12:38 PM
Baby steps, guys, baby steps! Nothing happens overnight. |
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carlomarx Junior Member |
posted 08-08-2003 03:04 PM
Wow! ...way to hash out the pre-planning, guys. (I just stumbled onto this thread today.) ...So, anyone want to build in Colorado? I'd love to build a cool residence for someone, especially modular or panelized. I'm a partner and home designer at Five Oaks Homes, a builder in Southern Colorado (www.fiveoakshomes.com). We have built quite a few higher-end modulars on our lot and shipped them across the state. We'd love to build modern(ist) houses if the market would accept them... It seems people, at least around here, want the cabin-in-the-woods look or the Trixie-and-Chad suburb look. I'm itching to break out of those cliches, so if anyone wants to build, let me know. Oh, if you're interested in what modular can be, download the Web book in the middle of my home page. I know, it's not modern, but I think it shows that there's a lot to be done within the modular distinction, and it doesn't always have to look like boxes stacking. Anyway, I'm enjoying this thread. I hope the NatModNet gets off the ground! Count me in. Cheers! |
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GaryR50 Member |
posted 08-08-2003 04:29 PM
Carlo, check with Kevin in Denver; he's interested. I wasn't expecting overnight results, guys; just someone other than those of us who are already posting here, that's all. So far, aside from Carlo, I don't see any new names, yet. Anyway, I'll do some promotion of my own this evening and let you know where I've posted. Of course this is going to take a long time to get off the ground; I know that. UPDATE: I've just placed an invitation to the the new thread on the architecture message boards at Loggia message boards, for what it's worth. Well-targeted places to post seem to be getting hard to find. Gary [This message has been edited by GaryR50 (edited 08-10-2003).] |
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dwellmate Member |
posted 08-14-2003 02:54 PM
Hey Guys! Just embarked on this site, and although the dialogue is a little laborious for my available time, however entertaining, I am intensley interested. Count me in, and I will be checking in now and then. Moveable, or transportable modernist, environmentally concious habitats. Such as prefab on temporary pads or moveable pads/pods this is a topic grabber-eh? I would like to help advance the Association movement (has anyone thought of the word COOPERATIVE?). |
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Rous Member |
posted 08-14-2003 04:02 PM
I think we are trying, in part, to convince the housing industry to take a chance on modern design (this includes developers, builders and bankers). That means there has to be some profit in it. Unfortunately, the word cooperative makes people think of granola, vegetarians, and socialism, not profit. |
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joe b Member |
posted 08-14-2003 05:07 PM
dwellmate: I have mentioned the coop idea several times, but no interest. Crestwood Hills, home of the Mutual Housing Association in the Santa Monica hills, near Brentwood is a fine example of a coop. These homes were designed by A. Quincy Jones. The idea of assembling a group of modernists, recruiting a 50-100 families, pooling funds to buy land, hiring architects and landscape architects to create a beautiful community sounds appealing! Rous: you're thinking of a "commune," very different from a cooperative housing association. |
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Rous Member |
posted 08-14-2003 09:16 PM
quote: It does to me too. However, I have not "met" one other person on the ubb from Dallas, let alone 50-100. I am hopeful that when we get "modern house net" of the ground, I'll be able to find more like minded people in the Dallas area.
quote: I do understand, but I also think that when you use the word cooperative, many of those in the housing industry are going to be turned off. Also, as I read the post that mentioned the term cooperative, I took it as a suggestion that the word be part of the new organization's name. That thought led me to my posting. |
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GaryR50 Member |
posted 08-15-2003 06:18 AM
I tend to share Rous' apprehension at the use of the word "cooperative" in this context. It means specific things to some people, and in the Southwest, especially, it has a strong identification with rural electric and grain co-ops, for one thing. I would strongly resist using the word, or the word "union," for that matter, in describing what we are doing. I prefer the term "network," as that acurately describes the intent: a network of loosely affiliated people across the country who are involved in some capacity, whether as producer or consumer, in the market for modern housing. I would hope that organized efforts at development, such as described above, would be only one of the several results of such a network. I do not envision the network, itself, however, as such an organization, but, rather, as a clearinghouse for information on the market for modern housing; i.e., a nexus through which all who are involved in that market can make connections with each other. Think of it as a marketplace facilitator. Gary |
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dwellmate Member |
posted 08-16-2003 10:06 AM
Point well taken, in afterthought "cooperative" does conjour up the non-profit, birkenstock wearing, granola eating image. Network does seem to work very well. I am also not inclined to use Association as it lends itself mostly to traditional housing idea. I think if we are going attract the modern home creationist, we need to stay away from traditional terms that may be overlooked in searches, etc.. Rous: I am in the dallas area. Any word from Urban Edge group anyone? The reason I mentioned the somewhat not permanent housing foundation for prefab is because there is a intensley growing percentage of the workforce that is transient, and jobs aren't like they used to be, if we could re-use our home longer, it would need to be moveable. Thereby excluding the cost of selling, buying, setting up the new purchase/build, searching for the home, and moving expenses over the span of a family's or individual's life span. Ofcourse you can tell, I fall into this category. Any info on this. I have simply never heard of such an idea, has anyone else? |
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the_incubus_of_habit Member |
posted 08-16-2003 11:57 AM
For the record, I'm very much for co-op housing. I've seen lots of great old loft buildings saved from the high-rent-redevelopers through smart co-ops of tenant. I'd love to see more pushed for co-op housing. That said a co-op has a very specific legal meaning, so it wouldn't be appropriate for a community web site. Have we thought about how to start this? How about getting a web site up? Maybe getting a few volunteers to maintain a blog? Generate some interest? |
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